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 Post subject: how to win in shield
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:20 am 
Demon

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well, shield is the most abused map next to cb... if you're talking about 1v1, it's shield...

since it's that small, what you can do is very limited. there are only just a few valid moves, considering vaygr is just too low on ru to win...

the valid moves probably are,

1) pure fighter rush - though this can get pwned with a proper plat defense.

2) plat and fighter - to defend from the above strat. it's dooming to do against arm rush.

3) arm rush with plat - but it can still be beaten with fighter rushes...

4) fighter to hyper torp to ion - it can be good, until ions toast u

5) fighter to ion - this is the most typical way everyone does, as it's the safest bet

for one, if other side doesnt scout, go fighter rush and he's toast for sure. 1 mob from ms, 1 probe and 1 col from cc will be just about built before both fighter mods are up, move them both in with 7 cols left behind, just ints are enough, since bombers are pretty slow to move and ints can kill plat mod and cols just fine. if other side goes beyond 10 cols, he can't defend himself. if he's smart to stay at 10 cols with plat mod and fighter mod, then the chance is that you're rather toast, since you cannot make any res mod thus no upgrades. the only exception being, that you actually go res mod right from the beginning and get speed 1 upgrade and sell res mod, which will slow the fighter build by 2 or so, but all the ints have level 1 speed. but once again, this is risky move, if other side is prepared.

arm rush, this is possible, if you can defend cc and res mod. but with pure bomber raid, it can be rather screwed. by the time first flak pops up, other side can have quite some bombers to tear mods or flak apart. but if pulled out right, it can still do some job... but im not a big fan of it. addy-baps loved it though, what an advanced res mod whore...

going to max of 14 cols with fighter maxing to hyper torp, this was very common back in days till people realized (including me after tomcat taught me by blowing me up...) that going pure ions will be rather better as higs arent too tight on ru after a while and killing just some cols in the back doesn't affect much, while having less force to attack can just get everything fried up...

which leads to, max of 14 cols with fighter maxing then to ion massing. but since people doesnt do as effective than those top players, people tend to lose with same builds. the reasons should be,

1) they don't start making advanced res mod fast enough. going 14 cols usually give the best balance for enough ru without much slow down. getting arm as soon as possible is a good advantage to gain.

2) they just dont know how to sell advanced res mod to rather get level 2 ion hull fast. what i do is, when im done making arm, i move ms up with a mob behind, then get a cap fac on ms, get level 1 ion hull, queue improved ms manufacture, when cap fac is done queue cc improved manufature and sell cap fac right away, then after level 1 ion is done, queue level 2 ion and speed 1 ion and sell arm, which will give enough ru to get all of improved manufacture and level 2 ion hull at the fastest way. usually u dont need arm as getting fct is quite out of option with the amount of ru, when getting level 2 ion earlier is a better opportunity.

3) they just couldnt handle fighters well, even ions are equally built but cols and mods are freaked after fighters are lost. but fighter management is for another topic...

4) you dont know how to micro frigs... - its not just fighters that you need to micro. pull the frig that gets attacked back, so they get all sucked in toward you for advantage, even making some of their ions not to reach the target with their ion beam.

if all are done proper, u have a chance to beat tomcat today! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: how to win in shield
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:32 pm 
Demon

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if you're nice enough to try vaygr, there are few valid moves.

1) sit on 1 patch... going 12 cols and go emp fighter to hmf. this is only valid way to protect against fighter rush. but can be daunting if hig goes 14 cols dd rush.

2) go on 2 patches with 16 cols if possible. and go triple pump. sell cap fac after cc is done. once again, better bet is hmf than lasers.

hmf is only way to go against as once hig pops a dd, just having lasers is gonna be a problem while cc can actually blow up fast. and actually, you do need infiltrators to win against dd... and better to have hull 1 and speed 1.

also, lasers and missiles are a pretty bad combination against torps and pulsors, as while lasers can die quite badly if torps are massed, unless you're so good at docking lasers keep dieing, and missiles just cant finish off pulsors, as pulsors can easily dock before missiles slowly kill them and this is actually the biggest problem than laser docking, since pulsors keep increasing, lasers cant dock. and the big fact of the problem is, that puslors and torp can both kill lasers and missiles, but only lasers can kill torps. so if hig just concentrates on killing lasers with pulsor and torps... obviously just a handful of missiles can lead into a lame situation...

and always hyper torp is a serious problem for vaygr, since making grav is nearly out of question, while sparing a few bombers down in the back is slightly tough, and losing cols is already making a big blow on the already miserable ru condition...

but vaygr vs vaygr can be very fun in shield. having maxing fighters/emp and missile vettes is gonna be hell of a fun to be serious about. with the help of emp and fct with plenty micro, me and dark-tfl had some of this and was kidna intense.


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 Post subject: Re: how to win in shield
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:09 pm 
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just adding some more facts i found in recent shields...

plat + fighter - this used to be to protect against fast 0/1 fighter rush, but if plat player masses ion plats and if u go ion frigs and quickly rush in.... doh... you do get fried :lol: me and sad did the same mistake against kami-genesis... so, nice lesson learnt...


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 Post subject: Re: how to win in shield
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:14 pm 
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Don't forget, ion plats are like a bc - one ion up top, one on bottom. Just go above or below the plats to avoid half the lazers.

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 Post subject: Re: how to win in shield
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:42 am 
Demon

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Even with one turret, ion plats are still very formidable in bunches. When combined with a dd, pwnage 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: how to win in shield
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:58 am 
Demon

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well, too bad my 15 ion plat + dd + bc in shield was no where close to beating cloaked just for that vertical move...


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 Post subject: Re: how to win in shield
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:46 pm 

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moved divi's post to game report forum.


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